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kiltedgreen said:

rob53 said:

Apple owns its products not the EU. The EU has no right to dictate to Apple how its products operate. As I’ve said before, the EU has every right to build their own platforms but it’s obvious they don’t have the ability or talent to design and manufacture anything people, including those in EU countries, want. It’s time to boycott everything made in the EU but I’m not so sure there’s actually anything they make I really want. 

The EU absolutely can dictate to Apple how aspects of its products operate, that's what EU law is for. If you want to sell tech, fruit, cars, aeroplanes, clothes or whatever to members states of the EU then those products must abide by the rules that the EU sets. This will be in just the same way that the USA dictates the standards products sold there must meet (unless the USA is content to have dog meat sold as beef and TVs sold with totally unsafe wiring and cars made of old bits of rusty tin). They can be challenged, as Apple is doing and depending on the result Apple can either comply or withdraw from the market. In this case, I think the EU is overreaching and Apple is in the right (in what I know of the issue) but what is relevant is what the lawyers say.

To say that "they [EU member countries] don’t have the ability or talent to design and manufacture anything people, including those in EU countries, want" is just ridiculous and verifiably so. So, nobody wants cars from BMW, Ferrari, or Mercedes? Nobody wants British HiFi or ARM's tech? Not even in Europe? Are you seriously suggesting that?

Boycotting everything made in the EU? So no more French cheese or Champagne? No Italian clothing or wine? No Belgian chocolates? No IKEA or Lego? No Airbus? You seem to be using the same playbook as Trump! Hilariously, given his "Made in the USA" obsession, none of the merch in his Trump shop is made in the USA - most is from his evil enemy, China. You can't make up this kind of blinkered economic foolishness.

avon b7 said:

rob53 said:

Apple owns its products not the EU. The EU has no right to dictate to Apple how its products operate. As I’ve said before, the EU has every right to build their own platforms but it’s obvious they don’t have the ability or talent to design and manufacture anything people, including those in EU countries, want. It’s time to boycott everything made in the EU but I’m not so sure there’s actually anything they make I really want. 

The EU has every right to level playing fields and counter consumer harm and the stifling of innovation.

That has long been the case. 

In the 'digital' world, the same ideas are applicable but new laws were needed specifically for the kind of cases explained here. 

Do you remember the world pre-pdf?

Interoperability is key to the points mentioned above and for progress. 

Mechanisms will have to be created and perfected but technology has the tendency to outpace legislation so these situations will persist until things get settled. 

This isn't an Apple thing. 

It's a EU thing! ICT carriers were forced to open up their technologies years ago and share their resources to a degree. 

This isn't like the US where for as long as I can remember (and for all I know, may still be the case) your place of residence was a limiting factor to which carriers you could choose from.

I can opt for a virtual carrier which will use the infrastructure of one of the bigger players. That allows for competition to exist. 

Left to its own devices, Apple does not allow for competition to exist. We know this and this is precisely why it is being forced to open up in certain areas (and not only the EU). 

Of course, Apple is free to pull out of the EU. So is Google and Meta et al. Will they? Nope because, as you seem unwilling to contemplate, any pull-out would be met with very swift movements to fill any gaps. 

You personally, may well be able to get by without EU products, but what would Apple's current supply chain do without ASML? 

MassiveAttack said:

Apple can´t afford to continue with their tiny uprades from WWDC to WWDC. 

WWDC 2024 was a disaster after Apple has failed to deliver what Apple promised. 

Google I/O was an "All or nothing" event with survival instinct to overcome risk of their existence. Google made a great job with I/O. 
Open AI steps up with Jony Ive to open a new chapter. 

After those revolutionary steps from others, people clearly expect from Apple to responde with similar steps. 

ne1 said:

I'm impressed that Apple can manage to import a majority of US iPhones from India and the rest of its products from Vietnam. The real scandal is why they haven't tried to diversify to more countries sooner (and also the AI fiasco).

sdw2001 said:

Oh, look, calling his tariffs “nonsensical” and using scare quotes.  Shocker.

Um, they are nonsensical; they are literally nonsense. And the quotation marks are entirely appropriate here, because Trump is trying to claim that the tariffs are "reciprocal", but they aren't. Words have meanings. In this case, the use of that word is plainly a lie. And that's what the quotation marks are signifying here—use of a word in a context where that word is hilariously untrue. 

How about you just keep quiet until you have a legitimate point to make.