LLMs are a dead end with clear limitations that won't bring Apple or anyone else to that contextual awareness + common sense that people see in commercials or dream about.
Apple can forget about releasing an "improved" [sic] Siri if it is only as good as the competition's LLM-powered AI chatbot assistants (ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Perplexity, Claude, whatever dogchow). And Apple's senior management already knows this which is why they have balked on this so-called "improved" Siri.
Apple needs to do something that differentiates themselves from the rest of the pack, beyond just preserving privacy. That is a super tall task and I bet Apple senior management accepts this challenge.
A second place AI chatbot assistant is garbage because 1st place is still a massive failure 40% of the time. It's easy to laugh off/dismiss obviously stupid AI suggestions like eating rocks or using glue as a pizza topping. The more insidious issue is triaging through answers that are completely wrong that still sound right. That's A.) a waste of time, and B.) a massive hit to user trustworthiness.
Apple knows all of this which is why the much-anticipated "improved Siri" has zero presence at WWDC 2025. Apple senior managers vaguely deflected this to 2026 but that really implies late 2026, like December if we're "lucky". So possibly 2+ years late.
All the while their competitors will be feeding Joe Consumer dogchow.
While I don't think LLMs are the end all, be all like gets touted by many online, I've been using a ChatGPT pro account linked to my action button of the past 6 months. As far as answering questions, providing helpful information, and actually understanding what I'm asking, it is so much better than Siri in its current form. Siri will absolutely benefit from being based more on an LLM architecture.
What I trust Apple to do is take the time to do it right. While ChatGPT is super helpful, that next step for it to actually help accomplish tasks on my behalf is still clunky. This is where Apple can (and I trust, will) shine. Using App Intents and other future APIs, the phone will actually be able to do so many things thanks to Siri. And it should be so much safer and better thought out than what exists in the AI-space currently.
Running fully locally GPT3.5 or 4 requires 8 H100 GPUs and NVlink (which can be only run in enterprise hardware, e.g. servers); we are talking about 640GB of GPU memory for inference and no, you cannot use RAM and very little distillation to CPU resources. If you add to this the "promise" that your data won't live the phone, and the fact that you already have a voice assistant that you need to integrate, it really gets truly complicate. No wonder they are struggling. Yes, there are plenty of distilled LLMs and yes, big is not always better, but it gets tricky for generalist tasks. There is no way an iPhone will be able to pick up the processing to run heavily distilled models, so you need to connect siri with a server and transfer the customer data: location, search habits, etc. One thing will need to give in this conundrum...
Apple can´t do that until Spring 2026 or even the entire year 2026. Their RAM capacity is way limited to get to where Siri is based on WWDC 2024. I would not be surprised if Apple needs min. 3 years to work on it and to get it ready. Or... Maybe.. It will never come.
AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause. When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz. Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
Oh good god, you’re just ignoring and spitting in the face of the forum moderators at this point who at multiple times have told you to knock this shit off. Go to MacRumors, they love trolls and shit posters.
I read the piece of John Gruber today where he says:
"I spoke this week, off the record, to multiple trusted sources in Apple’s software engineering group, and none of them ever saw an internal build of iOS that had this feature before last year’s keynote. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build. But none of my sources ever saw one, and they don’t believe there was one, because they’re in positions where they believe that if there had been such a build, their teams would have had access to it."
So...Who is lying or ignoring? Craig/Joz or their team?
Who is trolling? We will find out. So many contradictions at the end. Release in 2026? Sure? I don´t knock it off.
Based on the Gruber quote you posted, there is no indication that anyone is lying. The one consistent thing here is your poor reading comprehension. Similar to how you don't seem understand the “Something Is Rotten In The State of Cupertino” article, you don’t really understand the article you are quoting. It clearly says “That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build.”. That is Gruber conceding that he actually doesn’t know. Gruber’s sources having never seen the build and Federighi saying there was a build are not contradictory. They can both be true. Given that the delay caused a significant drop in Apple's stock and Federighi is an executive, him lying would warrant an SEC investigation. If you have evidence that he is lying then by all means file a complaint with the SEC. Get back to us on how far you get.
The two things we have learned from your posts is you don’t really get what Gruber is saying and that you have the literary depth of a puddle. "Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino" is a play one a line from Hamlet. The original being “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. The Hamlet reference is directly related to the point Gruber was making and that you have missed. Hence why you have completely mangled the quote and ended up your broken record style repetition of “Rotten Apple”.
Maybe true.. Maybe not.. John Gruber merely says that he does not know anybody at Apple who has seen Siri performing so well at WWDC 2024. If they did not see it at that time, they did not see v1 or v2 architecture at that time.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think.
LMAO. 2026 is an *****ETERNITY***** in AI land with monthly (and often Weekly) updates to the big five.
Since Gemini 2.0 came out just before Christmas 2024, the unprecedented rate of improvement from all the AIs has quantum leaped and getting faster.
Gemini 2.5 Pro and OpenAI O3 are both SO far ahead of the game right now with the reasoning models, and ChatGPT leads with the transformer models by a huge margin.
Apple will be so far down the table by “next year”.
Tim Cook just needs to give Google the money right now and integrate Gemini fully.
If you find Massiveattack's constant nonsense about Apple being rotten, there is an ignore function for the forums. Sorry, we can't ban someone that isn't breaking the rules. Annoying, sure, but not violating.
AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause. When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz. Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
Oh good god, you’re just ignoring and spitting in the face of the forum moderators at this point who at multiple times have told you to knock this shit off. Go to MacRumors, they love trolls and shit posters.
I read the piece of John Gruber today where he says:
"I spoke this week, off the record, to multiple trusted sources in Apple’s software engineering group, and none of them ever saw an internal build of iOS that had this feature before last year’s keynote. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build. But none of my sources ever saw one, and they don’t believe there was one, because they’re in positions where they believe that if there had been such a build, their teams would have had access to it."
So...Who is lying or ignoring? Craig/Joz or their team?
Who is trolling? We will find out. So many contradictions at the end. Release in 2026? Sure? I don´t knock it off.
Based on the Gruber quote you posted, there is no indication that anyone is lying. The one consistent thing here is your poor reading comprehension. Similar to how you don't seem understand the “Something Is Rotten In The State of Cupertino” article, you don’t really understand the article you are quoting. It clearly says “That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build.”. That is Gruber conceding that he actually doesn’t know. Gruber’s sources having never seen the build and Federighi saying there was a build are not contradictory. They can both be true. Given that the delay caused a significant drop in Apple's stock and Federighi is an executive, him lying would warrant an SEC investigation. If you have evidence that he is lying then by all means file a complaint with the SEC. Get back to us on how far you get.
The two things we have learned from your posts is you don’t really get what Gruber is saying and that you have the literary depth of a puddle. "Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino" is a play one a line from Hamlet. The original being “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. The Hamlet reference is directly related to the point Gruber was making and that you have missed. Hence why you have completely mangled the quote and ended up your broken record style repetition of “Rotten Apple”.
Maybe true.. Maybe not.. John Gruber merely says that he does not know anybody at Apple who has seen Siri performing so well at WWDC 2024. If they did not see it at that time, they did not see v1 or v2 architecture at that time.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think.
Yes, John Gruber merely said that he does not know anyone that at Apple that has seen it and somehow you mangled that into John Gruber saying Apple was lying. Only you can explain your cognitive dissonance on that one.
If you find Massiveattack's constant nonsense about Apple being rotten, there is an ignore function for the forums. Sorry, we can't ban someone that isn't breaking the rules. Annoying, sure, but not violating.
What nonsense do you see? Even the title of the article "....Siri LLM with knowledge CHATBOT" is nonsense as Joz already stated that they are NOT INTERESTED in chatbots.
I provide some technical aspects why I highly doubt Intelligent Siri in 2026 given the fact that our iPhones only have 8GB ~ 12GB. iPhones are small devices to play Siri on-device what we are looking for. Maybe, Apple has a magic tool. I really hope that Apple proves me wrong and lets me look like a troll.
Even additionally, I just want to point out that people are still confused because "trusted" sources mentioned by John are at Apple and underline the exact opposite feedback to what Craig mentioned with some technical details.
Okay.. We can close this nonsense that we should just believe what Craig explained with v1 and v2 architecture and that we expect Intelligent Siri in 2026 as Joz confirmed.
AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause. When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz. Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
Oh good god, you’re just ignoring and spitting in the face of the forum moderators at this point who at multiple times have told you to knock this shit off. Go to MacRumors, they love trolls and shit posters.
I read the piece of John Gruber today where he says:
"I spoke this week, off the record, to multiple trusted sources in Apple’s software engineering group, and none of them ever saw an internal build of iOS that had this feature before last year’s keynote. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build. But none of my sources ever saw one, and they don’t believe there was one, because they’re in positions where they believe that if there had been such a build, their teams would have had access to it."
So...Who is lying or ignoring? Craig/Joz or their team?
Who is trolling? We will find out. So many contradictions at the end. Release in 2026? Sure? I don´t knock it off.
Based on the Gruber quote you posted, there is no indication that anyone is lying. The one consistent thing here is your poor reading comprehension. Similar to how you don't seem understand the “Something Is Rotten In The State of Cupertino” article, you don’t really understand the article you are quoting. It clearly says “That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build.”. That is Gruber conceding that he actually doesn’t know. Gruber’s sources having never seen the build and Federighi saying there was a build are not contradictory. They can both be true. Given that the delay caused a significant drop in Apple's stock and Federighi is an executive, him lying would warrant an SEC investigation. If you have evidence that he is lying then by all means file a complaint with the SEC. Get back to us on how far you get.
The two things we have learned from your posts is you don’t really get what Gruber is saying and that you have the literary depth of a puddle. "Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino" is a play one a line from Hamlet. The original being “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. The Hamlet reference is directly related to the point Gruber was making and that you have missed. Hence why you have completely mangled the quote and ended up your broken record style repetition of “Rotten Apple”.
Maybe true.. Maybe not.. John Gruber merely says that he does not know anybody at Apple who has seen Siri performing so well at WWDC 2024. If they did not see it at that time, they did not see v1 or v2 architecture at that time.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think.
Yes, John Gruber merely said that he does not know anyone that at Apple that has seen it and somehow you mangled that into John Gruber saying Apple was lying. Only you can explain your cognitive dissonance on that one.
This is a free forum with free speech. We can feel free to interpret what John says.
AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause. When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz. Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
Oh good god, you’re just ignoring and spitting in the face of the forum moderators at this point who at multiple times have told you to knock this shit off. Go to MacRumors, they love trolls and shit posters.
I read the piece of John Gruber today where he says:
"I spoke this week, off the record, to multiple trusted sources in Apple’s software engineering group, and none of them ever saw an internal build of iOS that had this feature before last year’s keynote. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build. But none of my sources ever saw one, and they don’t believe there was one, because they’re in positions where they believe that if there had been such a build, their teams would have had access to it."
So...Who is lying or ignoring? Craig/Joz or their team?
Who is trolling? We will find out. So many contradictions at the end. Release in 2026? Sure? I don´t knock it off.
Based on the Gruber quote you posted, there is no indication that anyone is lying. The one consistent thing here is your poor reading comprehension. Similar to how you don't seem understand the “Something Is Rotten In The State of Cupertino” article, you don’t really understand the article you are quoting. It clearly says “That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build.”. That is Gruber conceding that he actually doesn’t know. Gruber’s sources having never seen the build and Federighi saying there was a build are not contradictory. They can both be true. Given that the delay caused a significant drop in Apple's stock and Federighi is an executive, him lying would warrant an SEC investigation. If you have evidence that he is lying then by all means file a complaint with the SEC. Get back to us on how far you get.
The two things we have learned from your posts is you don’t really get what Gruber is saying and that you have the literary depth of a puddle. "Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino" is a play one a line from Hamlet. The original being “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. The Hamlet reference is directly related to the point Gruber was making and that you have missed. Hence why you have completely mangled the quote and ended up your broken record style repetition of “Rotten Apple”.
Maybe true.. Maybe not.. John Gruber merely says that he does not know anybody at Apple who has seen Siri performing so well at WWDC 2024. If they did not see it at that time, they did not see v1 or v2 architecture at that time.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think.
Yes, John Gruber merely said that he does not know anyone that at Apple that has seen it and somehow you mangled that into John Gruber saying Apple was lying. Only you can explain your cognitive dissonance on that one.
This is a free forum with free speech. We can feel free to interpret what John says.
You do not have to pay to comment here, that's true. It is, however, privately owned and run.
Don't confuse the First Amendment which has absolutely nothing to do with what we allow here. We can and will kick anybody out for any reason we see fit. Or even no reason, if we want.
AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause. When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz. Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
Come on man.... Do you think Craig is going to communicate development timelines in an interview after not communicating them at WWDC? Get real.
They have overpromised and are controlling damage now, which means "it's done when it's done". They are pouring millions into AI and they cannot possibly release something that isn't solid. It's such a foundational piece that ties into their existing software and hardware, as well as upcoming hardware, that just the QA/QC involved is a process that requires time, lots of time. They know they are behind. But it's also a company that exists for decades. It'll be fine.
Shouldn’t we be asking ‘how useful/functional is current AI at the consumer level?’ As a pretty typical consumer (small business owner with a family and embedded in Apple’s product ecosystem), I’d like to know how far ahead really are Apple’s direct competitors’ AI products in key areas that practically benefit the end user, e.g. as promised in Apple’s big glowtime event last year. I’m sure a few tech investors must be scratching their heads and wondering whether a financial punt in too many aggressive AI developers when there is a high probability many will turn out every bit as overhyped as a typically lie ridden Trump speech.
If you find Massiveattack's constant nonsense about Apple being rotten, there is an ignore function for the forums. Sorry, we can't ban someone that isn't breaking the rules. Annoying, sure, but not violating.
What nonsense do you see? Even the title of the article "....Siri LLM with knowledge CHATBOT" is nonsense as Joz already stated that they are NOT INTERESTED in chatbots.
I provide some technical aspects why I highly doubt Intelligent Siri in 2026 given the fact that our iPhones only have 8GB ~ 12GB. iPhones are small devices to play Siri on-device what we are looking for. Maybe, Apple has a magic tool. I really hope that Apple proves me wrong and lets me look like a troll.
Even additionally, I just want to point out that people are still confused because "trusted" sources mentioned by John are at Apple and underline the exact opposite feedback to what Craig mentioned with some technical details.
Okay.. We can close this nonsense that we should just believe what Craig explained with v1 and v2 architecture and that we expect Intelligent Siri in 2026 as Joz confirmed.
The nonsense is you posting "Apple is rotten" in nearly every forum post as if it means something. And just because you replied to some posts today with some actual paragraphs of text doesn't undo the random borderline spam you've posted everywhere else.
Your argument also doesn't make any sense. You seem to have forgotten Private Cloud Compute. Also, if you read the article you'll see how I explain how Joz would say one thing and Gruber another, and it ties back to Gurman's report. I could repeat it here, but I'll let you go read the article first.
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Apple can´t do that until Spring 2026 or even the entire year 2026. Their RAM capacity is way limited to get to where Siri is based on WWDC 2024.
I would not be surprised if Apple needs min. 3 years to work on it and to get it ready. Or... Maybe.. It will never come.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think.
Since Gemini 2.0 came out just before Christmas 2024, the unprecedented rate of improvement from all the AIs has quantum leaped and getting faster.
Tim Cook just needs to give Google the money right now and integrate Gemini fully.
I provide some technical aspects why I highly doubt Intelligent Siri in 2026 given the fact that our iPhones only have 8GB ~ 12GB. iPhones are small devices to play Siri on-device what we are looking for.
Maybe, Apple has a magic tool. I really hope that Apple proves me wrong and lets me look like a troll.
Even additionally, I just want to point out that people are still confused because "trusted" sources mentioned by John are at Apple and underline the exact opposite feedback to what Craig mentioned with some technical details.
Okay.. We can close this nonsense that we should just believe what Craig explained with v1 and v2 architecture and that we expect Intelligent Siri in 2026 as Joz confirmed.
Don't confuse the First Amendment which has absolutely nothing to do with what we allow here. We can and will kick anybody out for any reason we see fit. Or even no reason, if we want.
Stop the LinkenIn influencer speak.
Your argument also doesn't make any sense. You seem to have forgotten Private Cloud Compute. Also, if you read the article you'll see how I explain how Joz would say one thing and Gruber another, and it ties back to Gurman's report. I could repeat it here, but I'll let you go read the article first.